here it is, i have seen at two llocations on differing plants, so not sure of foodplant.

This could be Nigrotipula nigra Sue.  The angle of view is wrong to be able to see whether it is short- or a long-palped cranefly.  The critical veins are not easy to see either.  Another problem is the light reflected off the wings.  N. nigra has dusky wings which are clearly visible in transmitted light.  It also has a distinctive posterior ventral tab.  The occurrence in this habitat would not be a surprise.  Do you know if it has been recorded there before ??

John K   

I doubt it has been recorded, the site ( Arncott MOD) is under recorded, so i am making records when I can.

I took other photos  a slightly better one of the wings is attached.

Thanks for your help. Will look the species up

Sue

This is a female agromyzid (perhaps Melanagromyza).

The "tephritid" is a look-alike sciomyzid - Trypetoptera punctulata

thank you for the ID of the Sciomyzid no wonder I couldn't find it in the pictorial key.

thanks again

My text in the body disappeared in the process of creating a small image !! It said: not all these parts of the genitalia seem to have a name in the literature.

Images below. Let me know if any specific view would help.

Showing the hind tibia:

And the mid femur:

Sorry, here's the hind tibia:

BRC has added a new search function to the forum pages (that will search the forum posts), and also to the home page (that will search the entire website). Hopefully these will make it easier to find all the brilliant information that people add!

I would agree that the greenbottle is a Lucilia species, and that the anthomyiid is an Anthomyia species, but I'd be hesitant to say which from these photos.

Many thanks for coming back so quickly Tony, I thought it would be a challenge with these images

B.Rgds Mark

There are more than a dozen species of Sarcophaga and Blaesoxipha with red genitalia. I'm not sure that I could say this was haemorrhoidalis from this one photo.

Yes, looking at the detailed descriptions in Olga's excellent new key, I think this must be silvarum.

Excellent. Many thanks Tony.

(It is a fabulous key!)

Thank you, Tony.  As usual, one photo doesn't tell enough.  S. haemorrhoidalis is not on the UK checklist as it seems to have been a misidentification for S. africa.  My colleague had not previously observed the red terminalia so jumped to a conclusion.

Probably right, but you need to check for setulae on the underside of vein R₂₊₃ and the row of small spines on the front femora. Neither can be seen in your pictures.

Hi Nigel, I've taken the liberty of adjusting your photo so that the click to full-size works. I think you've got this working on one of your other posts, but you need to save a small version of the image as well as the full-size one. (I agree it's a long-winded process, we will find out if a simpler alternative is available!)

Also, many thanks for sorting out this terminology at the Preston Montford course, it makes the keys much easier to follow! Perhaps we should point out that using "episterna" in this way seems to be unique to Collins' Empididae keys, is that right?

Thanks Howard.

No specimen and no further images I'm afraid so it will have to remain a maybe.